No Bingo and no Mint either

By David Knox on November 19, 2007 / Filed Under News 34


Last week A Current Affair got stuck into Seven’s National Bingo Night with claims that it is a scam, designed to keep viewers watching. ACA looked at a string of bingo forms and concluded that common numbers appeared on most forms, resulting in numerous viewers always having 4 out of the lucky 5 numbers. One expert even managed to predict the numbers that would be drawn, and as this clip suggests he was pretty much on the money.

But Seven isn’t the only network with a game show that has viewers crying foul.

Of all the blog topics in TV Tonight, few has generated more one-going feedback than Channel Nine’s late night quizzes, first with Quizmania, and now its replacement The Mint.

This show is guilty of wild puzzles with ludicrous answers, seemingly making sense to only those involved with the production.

“They had a game on a few nights ago where you had to ‘count the reds’” says one reader. “I counted them all the possible ways I knew how, but NEVER came up with the ridiculous amount the answer was. No one got the answer (of course), after 2 hours on this one game, the answer was 1115! How the heck is someone meant to count to this in 2 hours?”

“I was watching The Mint last night where it wanted you to count the amount of litres of beer and no matter what answer I had it wasn’t right.” says another.

And more:

“Last nights 16/11 ‘count the numbers’ had potentially at least 10 different answers depending on how you took that question. After 2 hours and every possible combination, no one had it yet. I gave up.”

“The answers are never clear cut, it all comes down to you guessing the answer, not being able to logically work out the one and only correct answer. Here’s one from the other night. Prove me wrong and tell me how they came to this answer. The question is: Add the numbers 27 seventeen 231 sixty five. The Answer given at the end because no one guessed it was = 522. Please prove to me how this is the correct answer.”

And these troubles are on top of the phone system itself, which of course takes your money before deciding if it will shortlist you for an actual chance at the game.

Nine really needs to lift its game on this as entertainment. As we head into 2008 and Nine seeks a clean start, Mr Gyngell could do well to just axe these altogether. They really aren’t fooling anybody. To point the finger at Seven over National Bingo Night really just reeks of hypocrisy.

TV Tonight will be keeping an eye on The Mint but we need your input. If you have any more examples of dubious games leave a comment.

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The Mint answers: We have a Winner

UPDATE 18/3: The Mint axed.

34 Comments »

  1. ian March 2, 2008 at 12:58 am -

    Quizmania and ‘The Mint’ began in the UK but were knocked on the head by viewer fury and regulators’ investigations.

    So how did those ‘quizzes’ end up here in Australia on the Nine network?

    You might well ask. Are Australian TV regulators, State and Federal watchdogs, and State lottery bureaucrats just plain dumb? If I can find this stuff about TV quiz scams on UK websites, why can’t they?

    Consider these shocking revelations:

    * Viewers of The Mint Mansion in the UK had a one in 400 chance of getting through.

    * Ordinary viewers have little chance of getting through to answer the prize questions. “We spent £365 on 250 consecutive calls and not ONE was accepted” (“QUIZ OR SWIZZ?” Oct 8 2006 By Steve Dineen And Himaya Quasem).

    * Several providers of UK TV quiz shows have been raided by police.

    * British Prime Minister Gordon Brown previously criticised the shows for exploiting the poor.

    * Sally Says, (Friday 28 July 2006): The presenters all need a good slap.

    * Various safeguards on UK TV quizzes were introduced including warnings about the difficulties getting through and daily limits on calls. None of these safeguards have been introduced in Australia by governments, bureaucrats or TV regulators.

    The Nine network in Australia acquired Quizmania and “The Mint”, even though these were well-known earlier quiz scams in the UK. From what is available on UK websites, the Nine network also took all the lines and scam behaviour of the UK shows. What sort of managers OK this stuff? If it is crime, and I don’t know that it is, it is of an organised kind.

    It involves the Nine network, the ‘phone company and the presenters. If this is a scam, all are equally guilty.

  2. CuppaTea February 21, 2008 at 8:31 pm -

    A Current Affair stuck the boot into No Bingo again last night and tonight. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw and A Current Affair’s production team don’t watch their own network’s programs, including The Mint.

    And you’re right Ian, the groaning women on the ads in The Mint are really offensive. But I suppose the porn telephone service being advertised is about the same level of decency as offered in the Mint.

  3. ian February 21, 2008 at 1:35 pm -

    The Mint is a ten minute crossword that Channel 9 drags out to a three hour marathon so it can milk all the ‘phone accounts – whether you get through or not.

    The program claims state lottery compliance, but I cannot believe this is legal.

    Nor is it a competition, because most people can’t get through. But you still lose 55 cents a call anyway.

    This is nasty stuff. After midnight Channel 9 discards its responsibilities. Viewers enter a sewer with Ads featuring groaning women, tarot and other medieval scams – and, of course, The Mint. Don’t go there!

  4. Alex45 February 8, 2008 at 10:51 pm -

    Oh dear of dear, just another excuse to get money from 1300 phone calls.
    Might be more successful and ethical televising burials and offering calls to speak with the undertakers,
    Even an old softie like Tim Burrowes at B and T magazine got stuck into this excuse for raising money.
    If you check you;ll find the English equivalent to ACMA had the Mint folk in court facing prison.
    Virtually no chance of winning, and maybe if the girls and the overweight man had a few shandies first it might at least be entertaining as they talk themeselves stupid begging suckers to ring in for 55 cents and thert only take a handful of calls.
    What a “blxxdy” indictment on Television. This is the pitts and the ACMA and all the money folk should have a close look as they did to mint in the UK.

  5. Anonymous February 2, 2008 at 9:17 pm -

    This is text of letter published in the Age’s Greenguide last Thursday:

    Channel Nine is still at it. The after midnight program ‘The Mint’ is just another lucrative reworking of the scam the channel has been perpetrating on its viewers for years now.

    No wonder the (less than dazzling) presenters congratulate people who actually get through to play the ‘games’. The whole idea is that they don’t get through. Their ‘phone accounts are milked whether they get through or not. Is this legal?

    The TV watchdog is either asleep or dead.

  6. Anonymous January 23, 2008 at 8:31 am -

    Have you noticed that presenters on The Mint are demonstrating more outrageous behaviour in recent months? Skits, dress-ups, singing etc. Quite a substantial amount of camera time is spent filming these skits while viewer’s attention is taken away from solving puzzles. I think this is a ploy to keep people on hold and entertained at the same time while clocking up the 55c per minute. There is no question The Mint is a scam.

  7. kritof January 12, 2008 at 12:20 am -

    Cuppatea,

    I thought the method I came up with was elegant enough to be plausible (look for every number you can find, including all possible roman numerals). It might have worked for the 522 example by pure chance but I thought I’d still show it off! I didn’t come up with the idea all by myself as it was suggested in another forum, from someone who claimed to work behind the scenes, that you should look for every possible number you can see, including roman numerals or even look at words backwards (e.g. nineteen has 19, 9 and 10 backwards!).

    Anyway, the 652 example provided a bit higher shows that my method does not fit (could only come up with 556 which was a bit disappointing).

    And for the record, I would never call up these types of shows. Even if the answer is obvious as in “fill in the vowels to TH_S PR_GR_M _S F_R S_CK_RS”. I am more than aware of my chances of getting through and I value my hard-earned money too much.

    And frankly, I’ve got better things to watch! I’ll admit I was intrigued when I stumbled on an “Add the numbers” quiz last night and the obvious answer was incorrect. Which lead to an internet search on past puzzles, which is how I ended up on this fine blog post!

    Cheers

  8. CuppaTea January 11, 2008 at 10:13 pm -

    kritof,

    Regarding your formula for guessing the solution to the Mint’s obscure answer. As they say in the classics, “Pulleeez!”

    How come you aren’t $6000 richer having correctly guessed the answer on the show? Give me any far-fetched answer to any puzzle, and I will concoct a possible way to come up with that answer too.

    The show is due to finish at the end of June according to their online conditions. That should mean they are able to disappear off the screen before anyone can take them to court. How convenient.

  9. Anonymous January 11, 2008 at 10:19 am -

    re: adding the numbers
    27 seventeen 231 sixty five = 522

    last fridays add the numbers game was:

    SIXTY SIX 143 TWELVE 42

    answer they gave was 652
    method given above doesn’t work :(

  10. Anonymous January 11, 2008 at 2:44 am -

    Thankyou David for the information to respond in each state. It is obviously a scam. I wonder how much they make per night? Could it be as much as one million?

  11. kritof January 11, 2008 at 1:23 am -

    In response to how do you get 522 from adding the numbers

    27 seventeen 231 sixty five,

    here is the most plausible answer I came up with:

    27:
    27
    2
    7
    =36

    seventeen:
    17
    7 (seven in seventeen)
    =24

    231:
    231
    23
    31
    2
    3
    1
    =291

    sixty five:
    65
    60
    5
    6 (six in sixty)
    =136

    36+24+291+136=487

    Finally go back in and look for roman numerals!

    seventeen:
    V=5

    SIXTY FIVE:
    I=1
    X=10
    I=1
    V=5
    IX=9
    IV=4

    Total Roman Numerals:
    5+1+10+1+5+9+4=35

    Final result: 487+35=522

    Ta daaaa!

  12. current affairs January 9, 2008 at 2:07 pm -

    This is a crime! It’s ripping off and stealing people’s money. Answers are proven that they are randomly chosen.They just say u win occasionally to prove that it is not a scam.

  13. Anonymous January 8, 2008 at 10:35 am -

    its good to see all types of opinons from aus late nite tv viewers…i myself love tv and Quizmania! and for ppl 2 say the hosts are…. is stupid! there on tv and ur not!! there getting paid,its their job,besides please direct your comments to the producers of these shows if u have a problem!…and if you call up and you dont win…go to bed!!!

    of course this coming from a .live it. .breath it. .watch it. tv lover! lol….

  14. Anonymous January 3, 2008 at 11:47 am -

    the show is dumb but last night i was watching while in bed and fell asleep before they answered “how many numbers” did anyone see what the answer was??

  15. Anonymous January 3, 2008 at 1:41 am -

    maybe we should find a loophole for a pyramid scam and make each other rich

  16. Anonymous December 31, 2007 at 8:28 am -

    I totally agree with the last post, I watched the same show and got sucked in!! I could not belive the answer when it was revealed. The company of the show should have to explain how they got that answer.

  17. Anonymous December 30, 2007 at 11:04 am -

    From last nights “add the numbers” how do you possibly derive the answer 1275 from:
    1. The number of days between Christmas Day and New Years Day.
    2. The number of vowells in “Beach”
    3. The number of odd numbers between thirteen and nineteen.
    Obviously no one won and then to add insult to all those wasting .55cents and higher from mobiles, they reduced the prize money to $5000 from $6000!
    I can understand the shows producers making an absolute vault of cash from desperate sods wanting to get rich quick, but at least these pocket filled TV moguls could at least have the decency to “explain” the answer!
    All the bimbo did was to look at the viewers in her best “can’t wait till I get my Ferrari face” and shrug off the answer as though we were all morons!
    I think someone needs to look into this show seriously.

  18. Aomori December 29, 2007 at 12:23 am -

    I would also like the anonymous poster from the 27th to give details. It would be easy to be a person from the show to write here claiming that The Mint is legitimate.

  19. CuppaTea December 28, 2007 at 10:23 pm -

    Hay, could the anonymous poster of Dec 27th please tell us what game they won $3000 on, and when? What was the question and what answer did you give?

    If you could give these details, someone may remember you calling in and verify that you were an actual winner. Also, how were you paid and how long did it take?

  20. David Knox December 27, 2007 at 2:38 pm -

    You’re one of the lucky ones, but good to see money does go off.

    QMania is rumoured for TEN.

  21. Anonymous December 27, 2007 at 1:51 pm -

    The Mint is ok compared to Quizmania! I won $3000 on the mint and I had always called Quizmania and never won. The chances of winning the tower game Quizmania played was 1:200 possible answers! I remember one tower was boy names “Chubaka”???? What, do they just make up their answers??? Its a rip off!
    I heard Quizmania is coming back?????? Does anyone know anything about this?

  22. Anonymous December 20, 2007 at 11:57 am -

    well i watched national bingo night and i couldn’t believe it was a scam until i saw footage on A Current Afair.
    But the mint seems to make it more obvious its a scam…last night the number puzzle was:
    add the number… two hundred 21 seven 36…after an hour and a half of me sitting with my calculator i gave up…but someone guessed the answer and it was 1491(i think).
    although im underage and i cant call up i like sitting down to work it out…to see if i can do it. but i wont if its a scam.
    the mint’s word puzzles are hard aswell, there are so many words that fit, but its always a wierd word you never heard before.

  23. Dan December 16, 2007 at 8:13 pm -

    As first time viewers we were sucked in as we thought we knew an answer. As Jason has stated I had the same experience last night with the ‘how many litres’ beer game. Me and my partner both thought we knew the answer (what was in the kegs), and rang a few times without success. We then watched as every possible mathematical answer was given. It is ridiculous that such a game is picking on the competitive nature of Australians. Should be stopped.

  24. David Knox December 10, 2007 at 1:09 pm -

    Jason can u send me this in an email please?

  25. Jason December 10, 2007 at 12:42 pm -

    I rang into the Mint on Saturday night/Sunday morning (09/12/07) during the “how many litres?” beer game. I gave the correct answer of 99. The sum of all numbers was 106 however one jug had “litre” which wasn’t plural therefore it was subtracted.

    They realised I was correct and they cut me off and then gave an awkward response.

    The answer revealed was 341 which is rediculous. Surely the ACCC could investigate and disprove them.

  26. Anonymous December 6, 2007 at 12:06 am -

    Why don’t they just say, “Pick any number, or part of a number.”? If they don’t have to explain the answer, then it is obviously a scam. You are led to believe you have some hope of working it out logically, but you don’t. I do feel sorry, however, for the poor losers on the show, who must be very desperate for work on T.V.

  27. CuppaTea November 22, 2007 at 1:50 am -

    It’s time someone made a legal challenge on this Mint scam. It would have to be close to fraud to say things like “everything you need to know is in the box” then come up with what looks very much like a randomly selected number for their answer, surely?

    Isn’t there a “code of practice” for TV? It’s such an insult to people’s intelligence watching this ripoff. I admit I have it running in the background sometimes, just because I have this strange feeling of amazement that they actually get people ringing! How could anyone ever think they would win the big money… Unbelievable.

  28. steve November 19, 2007 at 8:12 pm -

    My post about The Mint has been by far the most popular on my blog. This show is more rigged than any show I’ve ever seen. It’s more of a lottery than bingo night.

  29. Neon Kitten November 19, 2007 at 4:29 pm -

    Ian, I’ve been keeping up to date with the developments in the UK regarding these scam programs.

    Where it ends is in court, as ITV found out recently.

    The mechanisms behind these shows and how they steal money from people has been very well documented already, going back to the “Hot Dogs” Big Brother scam show which kicked it all off here.

    Unfortunately, people are gullible and seem to genuinely think they can win with these shows and look at a few pretty girls in the meantime. They don’t realise they’re having a con played on them.

  30. Anonymous November 19, 2007 at 10:57 am -

    Of course, the way to kill The Mint and shows as such is simply not to play them. The Mint is not driven by ratings but rather revenue. Once the cost of the show exceeds the revenue generated, the show will be reviewed and probably axed. The Mint is an example of revenue driven programming rather than ratings driven.

  31. Anonymous November 19, 2007 at 9:48 am -

    And the terms and conditions for The Mint state they never have to reveal how they came up with the answer so it could just as well be made up. We will never know.

    Here is the quote from T & Cs from Nine Website: “Neither the Promoter nor the producer is under any obligation to release
    information relating to Game answers or methods of solution, other than the
    information given by the presenter. Any such information released is released
    at the producer or the Promoter’s absolute discretion.”

  32. Anonymous November 19, 2007 at 9:46 am -

    The Mint is a joke of a show – but I have to tell you it will be around for a long time. The amount of money it generates is more than the cost of the show and more than the revenue that use to be generated by late night advertising.

    One of the issues with the National Bingo Night is the name itself. As the Terms and Conditions say

    3. NOT A GAME OF BINGO
    3.1 The Program is pre-recorded and therefore participants are not playing a game of ‘Bingo’ or ‘Housie’, rather participants are entering a trade promotion lottery (the ‘Competition’).

    So it is a scam to call a game show Bingo and imply that you will be playing a game of Bingo when in reality you won’t be

  33. Anonymous November 19, 2007 at 8:46 am -

    ‘a scam, designed to keep viewers watching’
    ???
    Isn’t that the premise of EVERY PROGRAMME on 7 and 9??? Including ACA and TT???

  34. Ian November 19, 2007 at 5:08 am -

    sounds like some stuff we have problems with over here, believe me once you start digging you wont like where this ends.

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