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	<title>Comments on: Seven joins court action to stop piracy</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-40720</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree its a situation of what came first the chicken or the egg, I think the idea that networks would put newer material on TV if people stopped downloading is overlooking the fact that they are expecting miracles from a market that distrusts the practices of Australian TV networks. I mean how is that Channel 9 is continually allowed to practice late starts to most of their prime time shows. Many nights I find that Two &amp; a half men not starting for between 5-15 minutes after its scheduled start. Shows being regularly yanked off after 1-2 episodes at ungodly times. The list goes on. 

Last year they tried the fast tracking format only to have the writers guild strike put any progress they made on hold. I think it was a mistake to scrap it because I know my interest in Prison Break went up as it fast tracked and then nothing. They even got at one point almost day to day with the US being the MLB playoffs were going on which delayed it in the US. 

My point is that highlighted the long, long delays viewers have in getting many shows. Its one thing when one or two shows are delayed but the amount is getting to breaking point. Scrubs is only half way through season 7 which is months after its us screening. Shown at irregular times, in the late night graveyard shift and given no publicity or chance to flourish. The situation for Monk is even worse. The fifth season has not even seen the light of day on Australian TV even on TV1. That is now halfway through the seventh season. Add to the list of unappreciated, American Dad, Family Guy, King of the Hill, Nip/Tuck, New Adventures of Old Christine, Law &amp; Order and so on and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree its a situation of what came first the chicken or the egg, I think the idea that networks would put newer material on TV if people stopped downloading is overlooking the fact that they are expecting miracles from a market that distrusts the practices of Australian TV networks. I mean how is that Channel 9 is continually allowed to practice late starts to most of their prime time shows. Many nights I find that Two &amp; a half men not starting for between 5-15 minutes after its scheduled start. Shows being regularly yanked off after 1-2 episodes at ungodly times. The list goes on. </p>
<p>Last year they tried the fast tracking format only to have the writers guild strike put any progress they made on hold. I think it was a mistake to scrap it because I know my interest in Prison Break went up as it fast tracked and then nothing. They even got at one point almost day to day with the US being the MLB playoffs were going on which delayed it in the US. </p>
<p>My point is that highlighted the long, long delays viewers have in getting many shows. Its one thing when one or two shows are delayed but the amount is getting to breaking point. Scrubs is only half way through season 7 which is months after its us screening. Shown at irregular times, in the late night graveyard shift and given no publicity or chance to flourish. The situation for Monk is even worse. The fifth season has not even seen the light of day on Australian TV even on TV1. That is now halfway through the seventh season. Add to the list of unappreciated, American Dad, Family Guy, King of the Hill, Nip/Tuck, New Adventures of Old Christine, Law &amp; Order and so on and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Nis</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39410</link>
		<dc:creator>Nis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for Roadshow, and my home internet provider is iiNet. Talk about being torn in two directions in regards to loyalties! But no - it really is hard to say to what extent someone is responsible for something; in this case how responsible an internet provider is to what their customers do with the service. On the one hand; if iiNet was provided with notices or whatnot telling them that a lot of their customers were using their service to download stuff illegally, then they should do something about it. But also, shouldn&#039;t it then be the responsibility of the government/law enforcement agencies to actually enforce this? I don&#039;t personally download any TV shows, movies or music, simply for the fact that it takes too long, is bad/unknown quality, and I don&#039;t really feel like getting into illegal activities to save a couple bucks (or whatever the reason is for downloading). But I can see why people do. If TV was programmed better, and not so late in arriving in Aus, and if movies didn&#039;t get released so late or had such expensive ticket prices, I think a lot of the downloading would stop. As someone on the side of the studios pointed out to me today, sure, &quot;watching a TV show or movie &#039;right now&#039; is not a necessity of life. And if you are so upset with late/expensive/etc TV &amp; movies then just don&#039;t watch them, don&#039;t then go off and download it&quot;. But if people really took this sentiment to heart, who would be left to watch it all? But ultimately I don&#039;t think suing iiNet was the answer.  Surely the biggest ISP (ahem-Bigpond) would then have a bigger percentage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for Roadshow, and my home internet provider is iiNet. Talk about being torn in two directions in regards to loyalties! But no &#8211; it really is hard to say to what extent someone is responsible for something; in this case how responsible an internet provider is to what their customers do with the service. On the one hand; if iiNet was provided with notices or whatnot telling them that a lot of their customers were using their service to download stuff illegally, then they should do something about it. But also, shouldn&#8217;t it then be the responsibility of the government/law enforcement agencies to actually enforce this? I don&#8217;t personally download any TV shows, movies or music, simply for the fact that it takes too long, is bad/unknown quality, and I don&#8217;t really feel like getting into illegal activities to save a couple bucks (or whatever the reason is for downloading). But I can see why people do. If TV was programmed better, and not so late in arriving in Aus, and if movies didn&#8217;t get released so late or had such expensive ticket prices, I think a lot of the downloading would stop. As someone on the side of the studios pointed out to me today, sure, &#8220;watching a TV show or movie &#8216;right now&#8217; is not a necessity of life. And if you are so upset with late/expensive/etc TV &amp; movies then just don&#8217;t watch them, don&#8217;t then go off and download it&#8221;. But if people really took this sentiment to heart, who would be left to watch it all? But ultimately I don&#8217;t think suing iiNet was the answer.  Surely the biggest ISP (ahem-Bigpond) would then have a bigger percentage?</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39396</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line in my view at least is whether ISP is required to monitor users activities. The internet use is getting totally out of hand for politicians and they would like to get back into control what people can and cannot do using internet. Kevin Rudd&#039;s attempt to introduce filters is a perfect proof and it is usually suggested by people who have absolutely no clue what an impact this is going to have on a future use. These are the same politicians who are trying to guaranty us a NBN with at least 12MB/s of bandwidth. How many incompetent politicians we still need to elect? This piracy issue is no different. There is still probably the law that forbids us to tape TV shows on VCR (remember that?). It was devised in the 80s and never enforced. This will go the same way, unless they make internet completely unusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line in my view at least is whether ISP is required to monitor users activities. The internet use is getting totally out of hand for politicians and they would like to get back into control what people can and cannot do using internet. Kevin Rudd&#8217;s attempt to introduce filters is a perfect proof and it is usually suggested by people who have absolutely no clue what an impact this is going to have on a future use. These are the same politicians who are trying to guaranty us a NBN with at least 12MB/s of bandwidth. How many incompetent politicians we still need to elect? This piracy issue is no different. There is still probably the law that forbids us to tape TV shows on VCR (remember that?). It was devised in the 80s and never enforced. This will go the same way, unless they make internet completely unusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon Kitten</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39364</link>
		<dc:creator>Neon Kitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, downloading TV shows is not a &quot;criminal act&quot;. Believe it or not, it is not a crime.

It is a civil offence.

You&#039;ll notice that nobody has ever been arrested for downloading TV shows. Nobody ever will be.

That&#039;s why I was somewhat amused by iiNet stating that they passed on complaints from rights holders on to the &quot;State Police&quot;. They very well might have, but the police would look at the complaint and toss it in the bin. It&#039;s not their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, downloading TV shows is not a &#8220;criminal act&#8221;. Believe it or not, it is not a crime.</p>
<p>It is a civil offence.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll notice that nobody has ever been arrested for downloading TV shows. Nobody ever will be.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I was somewhat amused by iiNet stating that they passed on complaints from rights holders on to the &#8220;State Police&#8221;. They very well might have, but the police would look at the complaint and toss it in the bin. It&#8217;s not their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ticky</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39291</link>
		<dc:creator>Ticky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;haha. god they’re idiots. just like with napster, kazaa etc. they come in years too late. bittorrent is so 2004. most of us have moved on to faster and more reliable means of downloading shows/movies.

the studios will never keep up.&quot;

I give it until 2010 before they &quot;discover&quot; me &amp; everyone else are using rapidshare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;haha. god they’re idiots. just like with napster, kazaa etc. they come in years too late. bittorrent is so 2004. most of us have moved on to faster and more reliable means of downloading shows/movies.</p>
<p>the studios will never keep up.&#8221;</p>
<p>I give it until 2010 before they &#8220;discover&#8221; me &amp; everyone else are using rapidshare.</p>
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		<title>By: David Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Pondie. I suspect what it hinges on is whether ISPs are responsible for what users do with their broadband access, whether the ISP is expected to monitor and take action against such. iiNet claims it passed the info on to authorities.

There are lots of illegal activities conducted via the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Pondie. I suspect what it hinges on is whether ISPs are responsible for what users do with their broadband access, whether the ISP is expected to monitor and take action against such. iiNet claims it passed the info on to authorities.</p>
<p>There are lots of illegal activities conducted via the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Tac Eht Xilef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tac Eht Xilef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last TV show I downloaded via BT? : Heroes
When? : a couple of weeks ago. Why? : Because 7 put it back an hour without hardly telling anybody, and the PVR missed it.

The last movie I downloaded via BT? Day Watch
When? : A year or so ago. Why? Because the local distributor held it back for several months, all the while advertising it as &#039;coming soon&#039; at several local cinemas, before eventually releasing it for a 1-week run at a single cinema.

That gives all the information media companies need to know in order to dramatically reduce piracy. Stop dicking everybody around, and most will stop downloading stuff.

&quot;... I think people ask too much of our networks.&quot;
I ask nothing except that they don&#039;t f**k me around; basic decency, if you will. If they can&#039;t even manage that - say, by starting shows within 5 minutes of the advertised time, or not cutting in an extra 2 or 3 ad breaks per hour - then I don&#039;t see why I should show them any respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last TV show I downloaded via BT? : Heroes<br />
When? : a couple of weeks ago. Why? : Because 7 put it back an hour without hardly telling anybody, and the PVR missed it.</p>
<p>The last movie I downloaded via BT? Day Watch<br />
When? : A year or so ago. Why? Because the local distributor held it back for several months, all the while advertising it as &#8216;coming soon&#8217; at several local cinemas, before eventually releasing it for a 1-week run at a single cinema.</p>
<p>That gives all the information media companies need to know in order to dramatically reduce piracy. Stop dicking everybody around, and most will stop downloading stuff.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; I think people ask too much of our networks.&#8221;<br />
I ask nothing except that they don&#8217;t f**k me around; basic decency, if you will. If they can&#8217;t even manage that &#8211; say, by starting shows within 5 minutes of the advertised time, or not cutting in an extra 2 or 3 ad breaks per hour &#8211; then I don&#8217;t see why I should show them any respect.</p>
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		<title>By: pondie84</title>
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		<dc:creator>pondie84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point in all of this isn&#039;t whether downloading copyrighted material is morally wrong (it is illegal, the moral justification of this is irrelevant).  Similarly, the need for networks and other organisations to modernise to reach new audiences is irrelevant.  What is relevant is whether iinet &#039;authorised&#039; the infringement of copyright that its users undertook.  Firstly, I&#039;d imagine, the networks need to prove in some way that iinet users have infringed copyright and then if that&#039;s established, that iinet authorised this infringement.  It&#039;s a bit of a stretch but not impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point in all of this isn&#8217;t whether downloading copyrighted material is morally wrong (it is illegal, the moral justification of this is irrelevant).  Similarly, the need for networks and other organisations to modernise to reach new audiences is irrelevant.  What is relevant is whether iinet &#8216;authorised&#8217; the infringement of copyright that its users undertook.  Firstly, I&#8217;d imagine, the networks need to prove in some way that iinet users have infringed copyright and then if that&#8217;s established, that iinet authorised this infringement.  It&#8217;s a bit of a stretch but not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seven and Co. are bastards for suing iiNet. How can you sue the internet, or providers of the internet?? In the end, it is up to the individual to take responsibility for their own actions.

I don&#039;t download tv shows, on principle. Obviously, if we all downloaded our shows illegally and did not watch tv, then the studios would not bother to make these shows in the first place.

Personally, I think the Oztam rating system needs to be taken into the 21st century. I am positive that Network TEN have a lot more viewers than what the ratings suggest. Their target audience is young, single, out and about, and I&#039;m sure half of the tv they watch is recorded or downloaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seven and Co. are bastards for suing iiNet. How can you sue the internet, or providers of the internet?? In the end, it is up to the individual to take responsibility for their own actions.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t download tv shows, on principle. Obviously, if we all downloaded our shows illegally and did not watch tv, then the studios would not bother to make these shows in the first place.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the Oztam rating system needs to be taken into the 21st century. I am positive that Network TEN have a lot more viewers than what the ratings suggest. Their target audience is young, single, out and about, and I&#8217;m sure half of the tv they watch is recorded or downloaded.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39217</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heres the thing, sure TV networks may take us for a ride sometimes but Seven always intend to show the bulk of the US shows in February. If Seven and the other networks were to bring all the US shows here now when they start airing in America there would be no room for Packed To The Rafters, City Homicide, All Saints and others or the hit US shows would end up at 10:30pm or later. I am sorry but i think people ask too much of our networks. Seven seem to be the best network here is Australia because most of the shows they put on the air will always be played out and we always know that most of them are here early in 2009. 

Channels 9 and 10 on the other hand the same cant be said about them. Channel 9 pulls shows as quickly as they put them up, they also had promised to show shows like Pushing Daisies and Chuck in 2008 and we are yet to see them at all. This is why TV is being given a bad name in this country and its primarily channel 9&#039;s fault. They are the ones who treat viewers the worst and its like a flow on effect.

I am against all this downloading crap because it is wrong and they are committing a criminal act. Its in the laws. Sure i would like to see some of my favourite shows now but hey its impossible to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heres the thing, sure TV networks may take us for a ride sometimes but Seven always intend to show the bulk of the US shows in February. If Seven and the other networks were to bring all the US shows here now when they start airing in America there would be no room for Packed To The Rafters, City Homicide, All Saints and others or the hit US shows would end up at 10:30pm or later. I am sorry but i think people ask too much of our networks. Seven seem to be the best network here is Australia because most of the shows they put on the air will always be played out and we always know that most of them are here early in 2009. </p>
<p>Channels 9 and 10 on the other hand the same cant be said about them. Channel 9 pulls shows as quickly as they put them up, they also had promised to show shows like Pushing Daisies and Chuck in 2008 and we are yet to see them at all. This is why TV is being given a bad name in this country and its primarily channel 9&#8217;s fault. They are the ones who treat viewers the worst and its like a flow on effect.</p>
<p>I am against all this downloading crap because it is wrong and they are committing a criminal act. Its in the laws. Sure i would like to see some of my favourite shows now but hey its impossible to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon Kitten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Kitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, completely with you on that. I don&#039;t download movies, because high-quality copies are on sale very quickly. And movies I&#039;ve never had any complaint with when it comes to reasons for downloading.

TV, however, that&#039;s a no-brainer. As I&#039;ve said for a while now, if they treat me with contempt, I show them the same level of contempt right back at them, and I&#039;ve got the power to control what I watch too.

Gil, the pursuit of individual downloaders (of music, mainly ) has become something of a sport for industry bodies in the USA. They sue, they ask for unpayable damages and imply massive court costs, then they offer a still-crippling &quot;settlement&quot; to let the accused off the hook. In the US it is both a PR exercise and grand larceny.

One would hope that AFACT or any of the other local industry bodies never gets that cocky. Though I doubt they would, since they know all too well that they&#039;d get their proverbials cut off quick-smart in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, completely with you on that. I don&#8217;t download movies, because high-quality copies are on sale very quickly. And movies I&#8217;ve never had any complaint with when it comes to reasons for downloading.</p>
<p>TV, however, that&#8217;s a no-brainer. As I&#8217;ve said for a while now, if they treat me with contempt, I show them the same level of contempt right back at them, and I&#8217;ve got the power to control what I watch too.</p>
<p>Gil, the pursuit of individual downloaders (of music, mainly ) has become something of a sport for industry bodies in the USA. They sue, they ask for unpayable damages and imply massive court costs, then they offer a still-crippling &#8220;settlement&#8221; to let the accused off the hook. In the US it is both a PR exercise and grand larceny.</p>
<p>One would hope that AFACT or any of the other local industry bodies never gets that cocky. Though I doubt they would, since they know all too well that they&#8217;d get their proverbials cut off quick-smart in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s definately a new era for TV viewing, especially for US shows.  When their was no internet people were really unaware of how far behind we were here with top rating US shows. Now with websites giving you up to the minute information and spoilers on shows it&#039;s all changed. The Australian networks should have reinvented themselves a lot earlier and also pushed for a new way to provide ratings for TV shows.  They also need to do away with this primative Oztam system which is only in a small percentage of households across Australia, just because it&#039;s always been done that way, doesn&#039;t mean that it is the best way. Surely their could be a device that is inserted into every TV that could be plugged into a line which would provide data on everybodies viewing habbits, also programs could be incripted to send the info on what show they are watching, whether it was recorded the night before or even a 10.30pm at night, which seems to be where a lot of the best U.S shows are ending up.

Gone are the days where people just put up with what the networks are providing, we live in a age where we can choose for ourselves. I&#039;m prepared to wait a week for a show that has already screened in the US, even a couple of weeks but  I won&#039;t wait for six months. Last night for example I sat and watched The Amazing Race but after it I put on my dowloaded copy of the lasted episode of Survivor Gabon. If the programmers can&#039;t see this then they are in the wrong industry and need to go and start mowing lawns for a living because they aren&#039;t doing their job at present. Oh and by the way, tonight I will  be watching Hero&#039;s from the other night, wouldn&#039;t be included in the ratings but I&#039;m still a viewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s definately a new era for TV viewing, especially for US shows.  When their was no internet people were really unaware of how far behind we were here with top rating US shows. Now with websites giving you up to the minute information and spoilers on shows it&#8217;s all changed. The Australian networks should have reinvented themselves a lot earlier and also pushed for a new way to provide ratings for TV shows.  They also need to do away with this primative Oztam system which is only in a small percentage of households across Australia, just because it&#8217;s always been done that way, doesn&#8217;t mean that it is the best way. Surely their could be a device that is inserted into every TV that could be plugged into a line which would provide data on everybodies viewing habbits, also programs could be incripted to send the info on what show they are watching, whether it was recorded the night before or even a 10.30pm at night, which seems to be where a lot of the best U.S shows are ending up.</p>
<p>Gone are the days where people just put up with what the networks are providing, we live in a age where we can choose for ourselves. I&#8217;m prepared to wait a week for a show that has already screened in the US, even a couple of weeks but  I won&#8217;t wait for six months. Last night for example I sat and watched The Amazing Race but after it I put on my dowloaded copy of the lasted episode of Survivor Gabon. If the programmers can&#8217;t see this then they are in the wrong industry and need to go and start mowing lawns for a living because they aren&#8217;t doing their job at present. Oh and by the way, tonight I will  be watching Hero&#8217;s from the other night, wouldn&#8217;t be included in the ratings but I&#8217;m still a viewer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39202</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFACT don&#039;t want to pursue individual downloaders as court  costs would be massive - given the number of people that download. Legal experiences in the US have been very messy and bad publicity for all involved. Software like Limewire and Bit Torrents are not illegal, it&#039;s what people on there to share that is. That&#039;s why they can&#039;t close down Limewire and co. 

TV execs have got to realise things have moved on - people don&#039;t buy newspapers, dont watch the 6pm news and everyone wants programs when they want them. Put up a legal website and people will come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFACT don&#8217;t want to pursue individual downloaders as court  costs would be massive &#8211; given the number of people that download. Legal experiences in the US have been very messy and bad publicity for all involved. Software like Limewire and Bit Torrents are not illegal, it&#8217;s what people on there to share that is. That&#8217;s why they can&#8217;t close down Limewire and co. </p>
<p>TV execs have got to realise things have moved on &#8211; people don&#8217;t buy newspapers, dont watch the 6pm news and everyone wants programs when they want them. Put up a legal website and people will come!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39196</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should all be suing themselves, they drive people to acts of copyright. I for one do not download movies, if i don&#039;t think its worth the $15 (or $10 on tightass tuesdays) i wait till DVD and rent it. TV shows are more problematic, if i miss an episode, the show isnt accessible, it runs overtime (i will abandon any show that runs overtime causing me to miss the start of another),  starts/finishes at an obscene hour, they axe it (like with fringe), or fall behind the states on some shows i will do what it takes so i can be up to date when i go to the states and inevitably watch TV there.

Suing, especially a frivolous suit like this one, is a desperate act, meaning they are out of ideas (with the only one they have tried being a half assed attempt at fast tracking).

Instead they should be doing things like asking the downloaders, &quot;What would it take to make you stop downloading ?&quot;. Which makes me think they don&#039;t want it to stop they just want to cash in. If i were the judge i would laugh at them, then kick them out the door with a big boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should all be suing themselves, they drive people to acts of copyright. I for one do not download movies, if i don&#8217;t think its worth the $15 (or $10 on tightass tuesdays) i wait till DVD and rent it. TV shows are more problematic, if i miss an episode, the show isnt accessible, it runs overtime (i will abandon any show that runs overtime causing me to miss the start of another),  starts/finishes at an obscene hour, they axe it (like with fringe), or fall behind the states on some shows i will do what it takes so i can be up to date when i go to the states and inevitably watch TV there.</p>
<p>Suing, especially a frivolous suit like this one, is a desperate act, meaning they are out of ideas (with the only one they have tried being a half assed attempt at fast tracking).</p>
<p>Instead they should be doing things like asking the downloaders, &#8220;What would it take to make you stop downloading ?&#8221;. Which makes me think they don&#8217;t want it to stop they just want to cash in. If i were the judge i would laugh at them, then kick them out the door with a big boot.</p>
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		<title>By: pondie84</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39193</link>
		<dc:creator>pondie84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see how there&#039;s even a possibility this could be successfully litigated.  It&#039;s just them trying to scare ISPs into doing what they want them to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how there&#8217;s even a possibility this could be successfully litigated.  It&#8217;s just them trying to scare ISPs into doing what they want them to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Putsy</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/11/seven-joins-court-action-to-stop-piracy.html/comment-page-1#comment-39186</link>
		<dc:creator>Putsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why aren&#039;t they suing google.There is thousands of cached direct download links of TV shows on their servers. Aren&#039;t they supporting piracy too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why aren&#8217;t they suing google.There is thousands of cached direct download links of TV shows on their servers. Aren&#8217;t they supporting piracy too?</p>
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