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		<title>By: BELLA GORRIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BELLA GORRIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Channel Nine I am interested in viewing the program on Sunday morning. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Channel Nine I am interested in viewing the program on Sunday morning. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: brisvegas</title>
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		<dc:creator>brisvegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching these guys &quot;filling in&quot; this week is as much fun as eating seriously burnt toast with no butter. A completely mis-matched pair.  Not gonna work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching these guys &#8220;filling in&#8221; this week is as much fun as eating seriously burnt toast with no butter. A completely mis-matched pair.  Not gonna work.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always enjoy reading the comments of others in these forums even if I don&#039;t always agree - It&#039;s makes good &quot;food for thought&quot;.  One thing I &#039;ve noticed is that often the number of  positive/supporting forum comments don&#039;t  seem to match the popularity (as indicated by the tv ratings system) of the show/hosts discussed.

It makes me think that the viewers that don&#039;t expect much are the ones with the ratings meters (and hence we get more of the same lightweight shows such as the breakfast chit-chat-advertorial shows and 20-to-1).  The viewers that expect more (perhaps the &quot;thinkers&quot;) make the change (to another channel or medium, such as the internet, where they can express their disatisfaction to people interested to hear their views).  

Until the ratings system is improved we will never have a truly accurate picture (I wish someone did an expose on how the ratings system works - especially  it&#039;s shortcomings given how much depends on it - advertising, new shows, celebrities careers, etc).  It&#039;s possible that it&#039;s as accurate (useless?) as the Top40 song charts became once vinyl singles were no longer sold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always enjoy reading the comments of others in these forums even if I don&#8217;t always agree &#8211; It&#8217;s makes good &#8220;food for thought&#8221;.  One thing I &#8216;ve noticed is that often the number of  positive/supporting forum comments don&#8217;t  seem to match the popularity (as indicated by the tv ratings system) of the show/hosts discussed.</p>
<p>It makes me think that the viewers that don&#8217;t expect much are the ones with the ratings meters (and hence we get more of the same lightweight shows such as the breakfast chit-chat-advertorial shows and 20-to-1).  The viewers that expect more (perhaps the &#8220;thinkers&#8221;) make the change (to another channel or medium, such as the internet, where they can express their disatisfaction to people interested to hear their views).  </p>
<p>Until the ratings system is improved we will never have a truly accurate picture (I wish someone did an expose on how the ratings system works &#8211; especially  it&#8217;s shortcomings given how much depends on it &#8211; advertising, new shows, celebrities careers, etc).  It&#8217;s possible that it&#8217;s as accurate (useless?) as the Top40 song charts became once vinyl singles were no longer sold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PlugInMatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlugInMatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knoxoverstreet: You&#039;re right, the lead-in is everything when it comes to the 6pm news bulletin. Seven found the right overseas format, found the right guy to host it, and now they&#039;re hitting home runs every night with Deal or No Deal. Nine, on the other hand, has been feeding us cheap and nasty episodes of Antiques Roadshow every weeknight for a couple of years and expecting people to watch. Oh, forgive me, there was that brief interlude where Nine hired two Seven personalities and tried to launch an ex-Seven format on a butt-fugly set (Wheel of Fortune). That worked a treat, didn&#039;t it? Viewers aren&#039;t stupid. You can palm us off with cheap-as-chips reruns of overseas sitcoms, but if you don&#039;t give us an exciting, original, well-produced lead-in to your 6pm news, we&#039;re not going to switch over from the other networks&#039; superior offerings just to watch the same news stories on your channel. 

Spunkymonkeycaesar: As unrepresentative as they are, the peoplemeters don&#039;t give any particular network an advantage. The system isn&#039;t rigged, it doesn&#039;t favour Seven in any way and it&#039;s the exact same system that delivers the ratings figures that Nine happily trumps in press releases when it has a successful program. Deal with it.

Anyway, after all that, good on Channel Nine for trying to retake some of the initiative. Have a serious, serious look at your casting, though. Leila MacKinnon is the joke of the youtube generation after her performance with &#039;Naughty Corey&#039; on ACA last year, and she simply doesn&#039;t resonate with younger viewers. And I&#039;ve only seen Cameron Williams on the Today show a couple of times, but I understand his Q scores are the lowest of anyone on breakfast television. Do you really think these two are gonna work in a relaxed Sunday format? Don&#039;t be surprised if this doesn&#039;t work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knoxoverstreet: You&#8217;re right, the lead-in is everything when it comes to the 6pm news bulletin. Seven found the right overseas format, found the right guy to host it, and now they&#8217;re hitting home runs every night with Deal or No Deal. Nine, on the other hand, has been feeding us cheap and nasty episodes of Antiques Roadshow every weeknight for a couple of years and expecting people to watch. Oh, forgive me, there was that brief interlude where Nine hired two Seven personalities and tried to launch an ex-Seven format on a butt-fugly set (Wheel of Fortune). That worked a treat, didn&#8217;t it? Viewers aren&#8217;t stupid. You can palm us off with cheap-as-chips reruns of overseas sitcoms, but if you don&#8217;t give us an exciting, original, well-produced lead-in to your 6pm news, we&#8217;re not going to switch over from the other networks&#8217; superior offerings just to watch the same news stories on your channel. </p>
<p>Spunkymonkeycaesar: As unrepresentative as they are, the peoplemeters don&#8217;t give any particular network an advantage. The system isn&#8217;t rigged, it doesn&#8217;t favour Seven in any way and it&#8217;s the exact same system that delivers the ratings figures that Nine happily trumps in press releases when it has a successful program. Deal with it.</p>
<p>Anyway, after all that, good on Channel Nine for trying to retake some of the initiative. Have a serious, serious look at your casting, though. Leila MacKinnon is the joke of the youtube generation after her performance with &#8216;Naughty Corey&#8217; on ACA last year, and she simply doesn&#8217;t resonate with younger viewers. And I&#8217;ve only seen Cameron Williams on the Today show a couple of times, but I understand his Q scores are the lowest of anyone on breakfast television. Do you really think these two are gonna work in a relaxed Sunday format? Don&#8217;t be surprised if this doesn&#8217;t work out.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that Spunkymonkeycaesar. May I ask how long it goes for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Spunkymonkeycaesar. May I ask how long it goes for.</p>
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		<title>By: David Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think we&#039;ve exhausted the &quot;copying&quot; claims on Nine v Seven v Nine.

Any other angles on this story, guys?</description>
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<p>Any other angles on this story, guys?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spunykymonkeycaesar, i remember you from a few months ago. i remember your pro-9 comments never ending. you always gave everyone a lot of material to rebut. where have you been?

there is a lot i could say to that thesis of a comment but i&#039;ll cut down
SMC:&quot;Seven copied off Nine with the launching of Seven’s Early 5.30 News after Nine’s Today show begining at 5.30&quot;, &quot;Nine launched the Sunday program at 8.00, and Seven decided to begin Weekend Sunrise half an hour earlier at 7.30&quot;

that&#039;s not copying, it&#039;s competing. if sunrise started at 5:30 or if 7 had a current affairs progamme on sunday morning then you would have a point. this is simply a case of 9 setting a bar and 7 rising to it, wouldn&#039;t call it copying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spunykymonkeycaesar, i remember you from a few months ago. i remember your pro-9 comments never ending. you always gave everyone a lot of material to rebut. where have you been?</p>
<p>there is a lot i could say to that thesis of a comment but i&#8217;ll cut down<br />
SMC:&#8221;Seven copied off Nine with the launching of Seven’s Early 5.30 News after Nine’s Today show begining at 5.30&#8243;, &#8220;Nine launched the Sunday program at 8.00, and Seven decided to begin Weekend Sunrise half an hour earlier at 7.30&#8243;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s not copying, it&#8217;s competing. if sunrise started at 5:30 or if 7 had a current affairs progamme on sunday morning then you would have a point. this is simply a case of 9 setting a bar and 7 rising to it, wouldn&#8217;t call it copying.</p>
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		<title>By: Benno</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/01/today-launching-sunday-edition.html/comment-page-1#comment-45964</link>
		<dc:creator>Benno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spunkymonkeycaesar, there is a difference between someone saying something positive about the networks, and propoaganda. I can distignish between these two. Some people on this blog will never question bad decisions by networks.

For example, i personally prefer nine news in Brisbane. On the few occasions i have seen seven&#039;s news, i found it a tad pretentious. But that&#039;s just my personal preference, and i don&#039;t watch the news that much anyway. With their programming, i find nine to be the absolute worst in the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spunkymonkeycaesar, there is a difference between someone saying something positive about the networks, and propoaganda. I can distignish between these two. Some people on this blog will never question bad decisions by networks.</p>
<p>For example, i personally prefer nine news in Brisbane. On the few occasions i have seen seven&#8217;s news, i found it a tad pretentious. But that&#8217;s just my personal preference, and i don&#8217;t watch the news that much anyway. With their programming, i find nine to be the absolute worst in the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Spunykymonkeycaesar</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/01/today-launching-sunday-edition.html/comment-page-1#comment-45958</link>
		<dc:creator>Spunykymonkeycaesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh... And one other thing to question... Why do people think when on an occasion when someone says something pro Nine they are a Nine employee?! - Absolutely pathetic in my opinion to think so...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; And one other thing to question&#8230; Why do people think when on an occasion when someone says something pro Nine they are a Nine employee?! &#8211; Absolutely pathetic in my opinion to think so&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Spunykymonkeycaesar</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/01/today-launching-sunday-edition.html/comment-page-1#comment-45957</link>
		<dc:creator>Spunykymonkeycaesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I haven&#039;t managed to tape Nine News&#039; new promo... But I can tell you what the voiceover states: &quot;For Breaking News change back to Nine News. For Exclusives change back to Nine News. For the best coverage change back to Nine News. Sydney&#039;s news is changing and now is the time to change back to Nine News.&quot; During the voiceover they have appropriate clips to complement it. Simple, but effective in my opinion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I haven&#8217;t managed to tape Nine News&#8217; new promo&#8230; But I can tell you what the voiceover states: &#8220;For Breaking News change back to Nine News. For Exclusives change back to Nine News. For the best coverage change back to Nine News. Sydney&#8217;s news is changing and now is the time to change back to Nine News.&#8221; During the voiceover they have appropriate clips to complement it. Simple, but effective in my opinion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Spunykymonkeycaesar</title>
		<link>http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/01/today-launching-sunday-edition.html/comment-page-1#comment-45956</link>
		<dc:creator>Spunykymonkeycaesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick that is nothing but your own opinion &quot;Seven does it better...&quot;! Oh and maybe those minimal few thousand people with people meters as I have previously mentioned... BM - dog... I was just about to say the same! - How can people possible say Seven does things better when Seven News and Nine News in particular are pretty much carbon copies of one another?! 

The other thing though that I might add, is how can Seven News have more journalistic integrity as opposed to Nine News, when Seven have on numerous occasions over the past few years been found guilty of misconduct and / or defamation?! Without even considering Today Tonight&#039;s infamous Corby defamation case win against the Seven Network, how about when Seven News Melbourne and Seven&#039;s Sunrise defamed a 16 year old boy by illegally naming him whom was divorcing his parents! Or how about when Seven was found for misconduct when the leaked AFL Players&#039; medical records?!

Oh and another thing to note... Even though I wish not to dwell on the networks copying off one another, another noteworthy thing that no one has mentioned, is  Seven copied off Nine with the launching of Seven&#039;s Early 5.30 News after Nine&#039;s Today show begining at 5.30! How about when Nine launched the Sunday program at 8.00, and Seven decided to begin Weekend Sunrise half an hour earlier at 7.30?!

BM - dog, you&#039;re not the only one who finds Seven News to be &quot;close to unwatchable&quot; and I know that for a fact... No one I know supports and therefore watches Seven News for the same reason you and I don&#039;t... It appears &#039;tis only a few bloggers and those with people meters think that way! Oh and that slogan &quot;Sydney, thanks for making the switch&quot; - Nothing but complete arrogance...! Seven&#039;s graphics in Sydney are crap, as is their set and their host as you mentioned BM - dog in comparison to Nine News Sydney!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick that is nothing but your own opinion &#8220;Seven does it better&#8230;&#8221;! Oh and maybe those minimal few thousand people with people meters as I have previously mentioned&#8230; BM &#8211; dog&#8230; I was just about to say the same! &#8211; How can people possible say Seven does things better when Seven News and Nine News in particular are pretty much carbon copies of one another?! </p>
<p>The other thing though that I might add, is how can Seven News have more journalistic integrity as opposed to Nine News, when Seven have on numerous occasions over the past few years been found guilty of misconduct and / or defamation?! Without even considering Today Tonight&#8217;s infamous Corby defamation case win against the Seven Network, how about when Seven News Melbourne and Seven&#8217;s Sunrise defamed a 16 year old boy by illegally naming him whom was divorcing his parents! Or how about when Seven was found for misconduct when the leaked AFL Players&#8217; medical records?!</p>
<p>Oh and another thing to note&#8230; Even though I wish not to dwell on the networks copying off one another, another noteworthy thing that no one has mentioned, is  Seven copied off Nine with the launching of Seven&#8217;s Early 5.30 News after Nine&#8217;s Today show begining at 5.30! How about when Nine launched the Sunday program at 8.00, and Seven decided to begin Weekend Sunrise half an hour earlier at 7.30?!</p>
<p>BM &#8211; dog, you&#8217;re not the only one who finds Seven News to be &#8220;close to unwatchable&#8221; and I know that for a fact&#8230; No one I know supports and therefore watches Seven News for the same reason you and I don&#8217;t&#8230; It appears &#8217;tis only a few bloggers and those with people meters think that way! Oh and that slogan &#8220;Sydney, thanks for making the switch&#8221; &#8211; Nothing but complete arrogance&#8230;! Seven&#8217;s graphics in Sydney are crap, as is their set and their host as you mentioned BM &#8211; dog in comparison to Nine News Sydney!</p>
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		<title>By: BM-dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BM-dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic of Nine News vs Seven News - I&#039;m incredibly surprised that Seven News outrates Nine. The journalistic quality of the two is roughly comparable (both tend to be slapdash and populist, although Laurie Oakes remains a highlight on Nine), and I don&#039;t see in what other category Seven&#039;s news is better than Nine&#039;s. Seven&#039;s graphics/picture quality/general presentation is atrocious (their titles at the bottom of the screen - astons, I think they&#039;re called - are particularly low quality and make me wince every time I see them) and at least in Sydney their newsreader is the dullest, least charismatic man on earth. Seven News is close to unwatchable, in my opinion, but it appears that the general public disagrees with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of Nine News vs Seven News &#8211; I&#8217;m incredibly surprised that Seven News outrates Nine. The journalistic quality of the two is roughly comparable (both tend to be slapdash and populist, although Laurie Oakes remains a highlight on Nine), and I don&#8217;t see in what other category Seven&#8217;s news is better than Nine&#8217;s. Seven&#8217;s graphics/picture quality/general presentation is atrocious (their titles at the bottom of the screen &#8211; astons, I think they&#8217;re called &#8211; are particularly low quality and make me wince every time I see them) and at least in Sydney their newsreader is the dullest, least charismatic man on earth. Seven News is close to unwatchable, in my opinion, but it appears that the general public disagrees with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David would you be able to show us outsiders this new Nine News  Promotion. Have not seen it yet and I do not think Nine Brisbane are going to show this promotion as they already have a heap of local news promos on air. . 
Change back. Probably not the best slogan. 

Also CAM and Leila will do a great job. All the best to them and Nine with the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David would you be able to show us outsiders this new Nine News  Promotion. Have not seen it yet and I do not think Nine Brisbane are going to show this promotion as they already have a heap of local news promos on air. .<br />
Change back. Probably not the best slogan. </p>
<p>Also CAM and Leila will do a great job. All the best to them and Nine with the show.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you guys are getting hysterical over a programme that hasn&#039;t even aired yet. 

Good on Nine for trying. As are Seven. There&#039;s room enough for both networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you guys are getting hysterical over a programme that hasn&#8217;t even aired yet. </p>
<p>Good on Nine for trying. As are Seven. There&#8217;s room enough for both networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Knoxoverstreet....or is that David Gyngell?!? It would explain all the blowing smoke up his / your ass. Welcome to tvtonight LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Knoxoverstreet&#8230;.or is that David Gyngell?!? It would explain all the blowing smoke up his / your ass. Welcome to tvtonight LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TV Worker; It is called a DVR i believe. Even though i have said i dont watch because of Karl etc i still tape it because sometimes Nine has some things seven doesnt and i am interested in them. This is how i know these things. I dont watch today &#039;LIVE&#039; but i record it so i can get the info seven doesnt have.

There was a thing on Credit Cards on TODAY a few weeks or so ago. One minute they were condeming the use of credit cards and how bad they were then a couple of days later they have the launch of the david jones card. This is bad journalism IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TV Worker; It is called a DVR i believe. Even though i have said i dont watch because of Karl etc i still tape it because sometimes Nine has some things seven doesnt and i am interested in them. This is how i know these things. I dont watch today &#8216;LIVE&#8217; but i record it so i can get the info seven doesnt have.</p>
<p>There was a thing on Credit Cards on TODAY a few weeks or so ago. One minute they were condeming the use of credit cards and how bad they were then a couple of days later they have the launch of the david jones card. This is bad journalism IMO</p>
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