All Stories FeedDid we really lose ABC HD?
There’s been a fair bit of talk lately about ABC sacrificing ABC HD in order to launch ABC News 24.
But the reality is there was limited true high definition content being broadcast. The rest of ABC HD was upscaled content with many titles not even purchased in HD.
It is also true that very little of the content on ABC News 24 is being produced in true high definition.
The Sydney Morning Herald today notes the Broadcasting Services Act stipulates networks must air at least 1040 hours of HD content a year but this includes material converted from standard definition. It says ABC was in a difficult position. Having launched ABC2 in 2005 and ABC3 last year, it had no spectrum left to carry a new channel.
Viewers will already remember losing TEN drama and light entertainment shows from HD when ONE was launched.
Another scribe in The Brisbane Times says, “If the ABC wants to screen 24 hour news, that’s fine. If the ABC wants to cater to the under fives, that’s fine as well. But why not do it in such as way that doesn’t screw over existing viewers?”
ABC’s view of the situation is that it will re-assess its use of HD once the switch to digital is complete around the country -as far off as 2013.
Gaven Morris, Head of Continuous News already told TV Tonight this week, “All the broadcasters are going to have to think long and hard about the use of their HD in the short term, but by 2013 when analogue gets switched off and everybody has access to digital television we could all be in a different scenario as to which channels they might like to put where.”
But while the net loss of true HD content may have been minimal, it still doesn’t excuse the fact that HD television in this country continues to be maligned while we’re all being told to make the switch.
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…I meant communion wafer….communial was a term we used for the dunny in the old days…well I guess ripped up pieces of the tv guide is still appropriate
@ Steven guy. thankyou. accepted. And you are right. I was watching a hawk and magpie flying thru the sky this evening, battling each other for turf with the sunset in the back ground. When I used my car keys to rewind the scene I knew I had to lay off the remote for a while..just a little while mind.
@ Josh. amen brother. will start a religion where we use ripped up pieces of the tv guide as the communal wafer.
No we did’nt lose a HD channel, we gained a 24 hour FTA news channel
@Josh: One extra channel is enough per network. I say that because both GO! & 7two are becoming increasingly rubbish channels, so to allow then to do another one, particularly if it’s just ‘general entertainment’, would just further degrade their brand.
I think seven and nine néed to relaunch their second digital channels and make them more specialised- focusing on a particular genre, such as documentaries, lifestyle or movies- just as ten did with its ONEhd and abc’s news 24.
@ steven guy – sorry but im on snapper jack’s side! As soon as TV becomes a religion i will join (that is as long as the religion can only be seen on a channel like Australian Cristian Channel =p )
@ snapper jack – sorry, really really sorry !!
But for HD i go outside !
@ManoMan
I have just rigged up a HD set-top box to an “oldish” CRT receiver. ABC News 24 is clear, but text is furry. Also, people’s heads and bodies are elongated, squashed from both sides. I have two screen ratios available on the STB – 4:3 and 16:9. However, result is the same on both. The set itself has no option to change screen ratios.
Anyone know what’s happening here?
Logo burn in is God’s way of telling you to get off your couch and live a little
I made a comment on one of the threads on the Channel Ten forums about digital tv and their upcoming third channel and I said I believe all channels should have their main channel their HD channel (9 HD, 7HD and 10HD) and then their additional 2 SD channels their extra channels (with ONE HD being removed and only broadcast in SD). This is my opinion as so much of the content on the main channels is made in HD and it is such a disappointment to see shows on 9 and 7 in HD and not 10. This is my opinion. And in regards to ABC HD im not a fan of ABC in general so i wasnt to worried with them losing their HD channel but i believe it will be a shame if that is to happen to the commercial channels
Thats true, but only if you are silly enough to leave your tv on the same channel all day. 99.48% of people who watch (or will watch) abc news 24 on an LCD or plasma won’t be keep their tv on that channel 24 hours a day 7 days a week. In fact, most people don’t have their tvs on for more than a couple of hours a day, so they’re never, ever going to have to worry about the issue of screen burn in.
Sure abc could make the logo semi transparent, but they would also have to do the same to the news ticker at the bottom of the screen, and that would be impractical.
Unless you have a first generation plasma, I would worry about screen burn in.
Rules for HD for the ABC/SBS differ a little meaning upscaled is allowed to count as HD but reality is until digital fully takes over and anti-siphoning rules are resolved (shortly) crazy stuff like B&W movies on HD channels and new US content on 2nd digital low resolution channels will continue. The digital market needs at east another year to mature to have 2 of 3 TV viewers which should be the tipping point for Govt to start noting future changes to rules.
I saw a bit of ‘tornado rampage’ on ch7, wasn’t that in 16:9?
ABC just hasn’t thought about their channels and how to make best use of their bandwidth. ABC2 or ABC3 could become ABC1 HD between 8.30pm-10.30pm, and leave ABC News 24 for the SD channel. It really annoys me how childrens programming is on ABC1,2 & 3 all day.
@ steven guy….You take that back. blasphemer!
Paull even LCD TVs get burn in. I’ve seen security split views (you know where 4 cameras appear in each corner) and the white cross shape burns in good.
And who says that more bandwidth on the HD channel would help the upscaled SD content from ABC1? I wonder how bad that stuff is originally, didnt the ABC just save a bomb on cheap studios and no staff?
Would the same be true of other production gear? Perhaps their in house transmission of pictures from state news room to newsroom could suffer bandwidth restriction? It is a simple way to save money after all.
Neon Kitten, there may be viewers that are watching HD via a STB into an old tube TV without letterboxing. Bang ther goes overscan text.
Also, I would guess that they can still sell into markets that are very 4:3, like America or much of asia. They all want stories sourced from local prodiucers like the ABC. we certainly get it from them, have you seen the midday news? American ABC and CBC stories mostly 4:3 and ugly.
@Neon Kitten: your point may have been a valid one, if abc actually aired more than 2-3 HD programmes per week. But the last couple of years have proven they aren’t willing to.
The loss of abcHD doesn’t even compare to the loss of TenHD- channel ten had a great HD channel going for all of 2008, then sacrificed it for one HD (which isn’t a bad channel, it’s just that the rights and airing of the sports that I’m into tend to be with either 7 or nine.
Have a look at 7 now… “tornado rampage” in 4×3 !! Give me a break.. Total disgrace…
@Paull: 720p actually *is* Real HD. For example, ABC and FOX in the US broadcast all their HD shows in 720p. Once upconverted by your STB to 1080i, 720p can look stunning.
As for the ABC not broadcasting HD material… well, leaving aside their stubborn refusal to buy HD versions of any of the BBC shows, they brodcast quite a few Australian productions in HD. “Rain Shadow”, two seasons of “Bed Of Roses”, John Safran’s last series, various docos, etc etc. They looked great.
When “Voyage To The Planets”, a local production made in HD, was shown in SD, it became clear that they never took HD seriously. They still aren’t – just check out the 4:3-safe presentation of ABC News 24, despite the fact that everyone viewing it will have 16:9 capability. Stupid.
The overall issue is with the government (as with nearly everything these days).. They were lobbied by Everyone who had a clue to mandate mpeg4.. but no… they know better… Ok they stuffed up so allocate more bandwidth, and get on with it… We the people of Australia own that bandwidth and demand a proper solution…
720p is HD Paull
The only true HD channels on Australian TV are found on Foxtel / Austar…1080i HD resolution and 5.1 surround sound.
Just another freeview failure.
It’s only tv……………… sorry for that !
Hmmm…ABCNews24 is terrific so far in content. It’s soooo good to have a 24/7 News channel without having to have Foxtel. But – to me it still doesn’t seem to shine as an HD service. Is it transmitting at 720p? The compression artifacts on graphics/text and wide shots – this is studio stuff I’m talking about – is pretty terrible. Now I know I have a 51/2 grand Pioneer plasma (9th Gen Kuro – amazing blacks!!), and the bad thing about having a great set is that it shows up any faults in anything – only pristine Blu Rays really do it justice.
But HD is supposed to at least look a tad better than SD isn’t it? I’ve seen an F1 broadcast look great in HD and some studio programming on ONE looks terrific and sharp (out of Global’s HD studio in Sydney I assume). But the studio stuff from ABC News24 just isn’t cutting it. Is it just me? Or am I being far too picky?
There simply isn’t enough bandwidth for the channels to do HD justice with the extra SD channels.
But Government regulations cause these problems. Broadcasters are required to broadcast about 1000 hours in HD a year. This is nonsense and has caused this silly situation with the ABC.
It would be better for all concerned if the ABC was allowed to broadcast all SD. At least that way we’d get 4 top quality SD channels rather than 1 poor quality HD and 3 poor quality SD channels (ABC2 is terrible quality, and yet is the ABC channel I watch the most).
If the ABC wanted to really push the boundaries they should have broadcast the news channel in MPEG4 HD. Better quality, less bandwidth. But the Government stuffed that by mandating HD too early, thus we’re stuck with MPEG2 for HD and more sensible countries (NZ, UK, France, etc) jump straight to MPEG4 for HD.
@Paull: Heh, that’s true! (about recreating ABCHD)
@Craig: Agree, F1 looks great on ONE, and I only have a SD TV. Hopefully Webs can win again tomorrow, altho’ last year it was at the Nürburgring not Hockenheim.
I watched a couple hours of it last night and I can’t believe they’re not even broadcasting their own news program in HD… the telling sign of the channels lack of HD is the fact that their news “ticker” is just blurry and not crisp and clear like a HD one would be… quite disappointing really.
There is only one real way to watch what you want to, when you want to, and we’re not allowed to talk about it here.
I can’t see the point of PayTV HD…I don’t have it, but isn’t it the same shows over and over, many of them only upscaled, and an extra charge per month?
@Melbcity – only if you leave your TV on the channel 24/7
@Russell – ABC and TEN are broadcasting in HD and now we have 24/7 news on FTA in HD (okay it’s 720 but still) and I wouldn’t give up my sport on ONE in 1080 HD even if my TV can’t take full advantage of it yet, F1 has never looked better on FTA.
I have an LG with HD tuner but 1366×768 screen, not 1920×1080. Even so you can see the difference between say TEN and ONE when it comes to the F1. Or any of the other channels comparing shows.
That “the reality is there was limited true high definition content being broadcast” is, in itself, a pretty poor state of affairs (not that the ABC is alone) and not a vaid opt out for broadcasters. HD TV is being squandered. Consumers are having 3D television marketed to them when ‘true’ HD TV is not yet being delivered and the likelihood of which seems to be going backwards.
Thays exactly what I’ve been saying- abcHD was never anything more than a Teal coloured logo. That’s it! They never dsiplayed actual HD content (1080i or higher) and rarely displayed anything in 720p.
AbcHD can still be achieved by watching abc1 on a set top box that upscales (via hdmi) the picture to 1080.
@Melbcity: even if they made their logo semi transparent, what about the news ‘ticker’ on the bottom of the screen? Abcnews 24′s graphics are far more plasma friendly than america’s fox news channel, which usually has more on-screen graphics than they do actual picture. Sky news, and a fair few foxtel channels also have non-transparent on screen graphics. It’s the way of the future.
So there I was thinking I was missing out by not having an HD set. But it seems all I am missing is paying the extra for Blu-Ray discs, so I can’t complain.
W00t for 576p HD!
Networks, such as Prime, were trying to convince us for so long that it was classed as HD. With most televisions able to deinterlace a 576i signal, its almost like watching a progressive signal anyway.
What we watch on FTA may as well be classed as HD in the networks eyes.
The ABC never bothered getting the HD version of content. Its helped confuse people into thinking there is no difference between HD and SD. Obviously they’ve been cost cutting trying to bring us extra channels.
But what a waste of bandwidth for ABC3. Especially when 9 hours of the day it’s a test pattern! You could easily merge ABC3 & ABC2 and no one would notice.
What happened to quality content on the ABC? If I people want heaps of crappy channels they turn to Foxtel.
Is it just me or is the #ABCnews24 logo super pixelated/blurry edged? Everything else looks HD, including banner graphics etc, but the logo is like its been upscaled for a 10Kb gif image…
A lot of this is the governments fault. For starters digital tuners should have been made compulsory for new TVs.
So what is any different to FTA – has always been the same – HD will never be used for the purpose it was intended
Pay TV is the way I will stay
I watch very little FTA anyway
Warning
The ABC NEWS logo is damaging to your TV.
ABC News for some reason has opted for a solid graphic that includes the ABC logo and the number 24 with the time displayed underneath in the bottom right of your screen.
Unlike the other ABC channel logos this one is not see through. As a result your TV is at risk of image burn as the ABC News logo etches in to the background of your screen.
The solution is simple. ABC News needs to redesign their Logo and mak it semi tranparent as is the case on all other digital TV channels
“If the ABC wants to screen 24 hour news, that’s fine. If the ABC wants to cater to the under fives, that’s fine as well. But why not do it in such as way that doesn’t screw over existing viewers?”
How exactly does this guy envisage this be done? Move ABC1 to HD only?
People, including Green Guide letters writers, need to get a grip, and know what they’re complaining about before whinging openly at the lost of their “HD ABC channel”.
The way High Definition is treated in this country is a massive joke.
Both ABC2 and ABC3 seem to be children’s programming a great deal of the time. Also ABC3 is only running half a day, so there’s already a *lot* of bandwidth there being wasted, or duplicated. We could have had ABC2 as the HD channel and it could have been a “best of” what is on their other three streams. You buy a Rolls to drive to weddings, not to go to work.
So what if some shows are upscaled SD recordings? I’d rather watch Doc Martin in upscaled SD than Afghan war footage shot on a phone. The point made is somewhat specious really.
So currently ONE HD aside we only have 2 true full HD (1080) FTA channels, 7 & 9 but again how much of their content is actually in 1080 HD? I don’t mind the limited content because I don’t have a full HD set, but I can understand the frustration of those getting a shinny new 50 inch LED to find such limited viewing options.
Great story David. It is a really odd situation we have in Oz. The rest of the world is moving forward with HD everything (in the US local news, commercials and even now promos are all in HD) where as in Australia, we seem to be moving backwards.
When you have two of the big national networks (Ten and ABC1) not broadcasting in HD – there is a problem. But then again, the networks have never seemed interested in embracing HD. Very little Australian programming is produced in HD. A lot of sport is not in HD, and almost no news in HD.
The idea of a third channel from each network (Ten, Nine, Seven) seems to have fallen by the wayside. What would be a perfect solution is if each network could have it’s main network in both SD and HD, and 2 digital networks in SD.
So for say Nine you’d have:
Nine HD
Nine SD (downconvert)
Go! SD
New Channel SD
But i don’t think each network has enough bandwidth for that?
ABC did not embrace HD, so there is no big loss turning off ABC1 in HD. Even though even SD programming broadcast in HD looked better than just the SD broadcast.
But they bult a new news network from the ground up with new studio, sets, control rooms, graphics and all. The fact that in 2010 none of is is in HD is a disgrace. The whole lot should have been done in HD.